Is there any strategy for expanding abroad?

What about highlight the English version of the forum in the Czech one?

Something like that we will be glad if they will ask in English:
“Nechcete se zeptat anglicky? Pomůžete tím Nette rozšířit do zahraničí.”

Yap, addons should be translated+updated ASAP.

Can someone please take a look at https://doc.nette.org/…n/presenters for typos? :) Thanks.

Well, if anyone is eager to do some proofreading, he can take a look at https://doc.nette.org/…/smartobject :)

It's nice sentence on the czech forum, but it doesn't seems to work. :o( But it's still better than before…

Anyway, thank you, David!

Last edited by HejTi (2011-08-16 16:43)

I guess there should be a translation of https://nette.org/cs/contributors.

Hi guys, I think if you're serious about having the site bilingual, you need some tools for translators. The biggest challenge is not as much getting a translation for each page but keeping it up to date. For that you need a system that keeps track of changes and highlights areas on English pages that might be out of sync.

We need a dashboard that lists all pages sorted by their completion status with a note about whether it has been proofread. Perhaps also by the page priority. Some pages are more important than others.
Completion status would be calculated automatically as # of translated paragraphs / total # of paras.

As soon as a single letter changes in the master page (Czech version) the corresponding paragraph in English is marked as incomplete. Yes, we need to link individual paragraphs for that. You can't expect a translator to fish for all changed words in the whole page.

An untranslated page content is taken from the master page. Czech content is not copied though. You don't want to risk having translators translate Czech text that is already out of sync with the master page. The translating page lists English and Czech side by side with text areas for each paragraph.

To be honest, outdated information is the single biggest barrier for Nette in general. Czech docs are incomplete, sometimes outdated. When searching through forums, you can't tell which version and sub-version is the thread related to.

I know that time is short and I'm grateful for what ever there is. I just think that there's no point in translating something that is in a bad shape in the first place. The main focus should be on saving the user's (i.e. the programmer's) time. Opportunity cost is a big thing. Each hour spent fishing through the forum and trying solutions that worked for other versions is wasted money.

David claims that Nette has a steep learning curve but I don't see it that way. Maybe the basics but when you need to go deeper it takes hours and hours.

Anyway, thanks again for Nette and your time, guys. It is much appreciated.

redhead wrote:

I got a really crazy idea but I have to tell it anyway – get rid of czech and do everything english only. Every major (globe-expanding) framework does that. Even Potencier's Symfony has no french translations.

In this situation, it's contraproductive and difficult to easily maintain both versions. I know that a lot of you will be against it, but I think it would be much more simple that way.

The main con is czech newcomers who don't know english very well. On the other hand, the API isn't in czech either, so..

(if there already was a debate over this, I am sorry, I don't remember it, or I didn't see it)

I share your view on the subject. There was debate over this some time ago (I also don't remember where) and most of the community wanted the czech version. But I think getting rid of the czech version would be the best thing for the future of framework we could do.

You are contradicting yourself.

How could a newbie use world-popular framework when they are all in english (as Nette would be too)? Also, english screencasts would be the target of english-only Nette of course, so this reason is a bit silly. I would preserve czech forum as well as the documentation but the main focus would be on english, leaving czech behind.

What I mean is that tracking the changes of czech version and update the english is time consuming, slow and difficult.

But as I said before, I didn't expect any good reactions :)

Edit: Also, I know czech is what makes fw popular in CR but we want it to be popular abroad as well. That's, by the way, the goal of this topic and also why we should post on english forum and why the documentation gets translated.

Last edited by redhead (2011-08-29 09:52)

I don't think that it would be good to stop Czech version immediately.

Maybe our strategy should be, that we will have basic things in every language – it could by our advantage. Not everything, especially not the documentation. But some quick introduction which helps newbie to overcome first difficult steps… There could be some simple forum to help newbies in “every” language. But not about development of framework, not about the core things… Look at (maybe most wide-used) framework Yii, there are these forums and there are mainly the basic question (if I understand it correctly thank to google translater;o).

And why to make Nette international? If you have some foreigner client, you can't say: “Hey, we'll use framework Nette which is known only in Czech Republic. So if you will need to switch contractor, you won't found any.”

(I'm able to manage translation of some pages to German.)

PS: The button “Translate to English” is perfect!!! Great job! What about “Translate to Czech” for every post in English forum. ;o)

…but you know the reason, because has czech doc and czech community, its not because is best.

I meant it in this way: there are some options which you know before you will start using framework. And what I know surely before? If framework is best I can find after some time of usage. But already I know that framework has not official czech support and czech community doesn't exist. Just for clarify…

Last edited by 22 (2011-08-31 10:24)